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[Pete Craven]

#FinanceandOperations Is it possible to Report as Finished a production order before posting a Route card journal? We don’t want to Accept error because that allows for other unintended consequences. Our production items have BOMs and routes that are used for estimating and scheduling. We use the standard production process of starting an order, posting a picklist, and then RAF’ing. We do not post a Route card prior to RAF because of a Kronos integration that posts actual operation time after the RAF. The delay between RAF’ing and route journal creation is due to a time card approval process. Creating and posting a manual route card with no time enables the RAF process but it seems like there should be a better way.

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Pete Craven
Solution Architect
Corterra Solutions
Lisle IL
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[Andrew Arends]

Have you tried setting the Feedback option to “No” on the route group?  I believe this controls whether the ‘End job’ box needs to be marked on route card transactions prior to RAF.

You may also want to play with the settings on the Production control parameters here.  This may only apply to when you skip the process step (i.e. going from Scheduled to Ended directly).

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Andrew Arends
Solution Architect
enVista LLC
Detroit MI
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[Pete Craven]

Andrew,
Thanks for the response. I had already tried both of your suggestions but can’t RAF complete without posting a route card journal for the last operation. Our time recording/MES is outside D365 and because the approval process is not real time, we can’t create our route journals before the production orders are completed.

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Pete Craven
Solution Architect
Corterra Solutions
Lisle IL
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[Andrew Arends]

Yes, your situation is a bit non-typical.  The only other suggestion I have is to use the ‘Accept error’ flag on the RAF step.  This is a fairly common flag to use due to situations in which a user neglected to mark the End flag on a picking list line or route card line and the organization is not concerned about the potential for missed reporting, or is OK with the proposed consumption being used.  In your case, at least your labor consumption is happening after RAF anyway.

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Andrew Arends
Solution Architect
enVista LLC
Detroit MI
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[Pete Craven]

Andrew,
I agree that this is a bit atypical. If we were executing MES in D365 this would not be an issue. Unless I hear otherwise, I believe our options to be:

1. Manually create a null route card journal for the final route operation. Users will love this:(
2. Customization to allow RAF without a route card posting or auto-create a null route journal when a RAF occurs.
3. Modify the Kronos time approval process that is creating the route journals to be real time.

Thanks

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Pete Craven
Solution Architect
Corterra Solutions
Lisle IL
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[Andre Breillatt]

Hi Pete. Without using the “accept error” option or posting a bogus journal, the system will stop you from performing the final RAF every time. It will do the same thing without picking list journals as well.
It’s understandable to not want to use accept error, especially when going for high precision. But MSFT has rolled a lot of functionality into that 1 toggle. Next best option if you don’t want to use accept error or post a blank route card would be a customization that specifically bypasses the time journal checks upon “end job” / final RAF.

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Andre Breillatt
AX Consultant
Hitachi Solutions
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[Pete Craven]

Andre,
It seems we’ve come to the same conclusion. Accept error is really not acceptable because it allows too many other things to fall through the cracks like incomplete picking, over/under reporting. We didn’t want to say the c word but without creating a null journal entry, a customization sounds like the solution.

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Pete Craven
Solution Architect
Corterra Solutions
Lisle IL
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[Colby Gallagher]

It sounds like you want to get the production order to a reported as finished status, but is that necessary?   You just want to create inventory of the finished good before posting the route card journal from the sounds of it.  

You can post a Report as Finished journal without posting route card journals / doing anything route related.  This would leave your production order in a “Started” status, report remainder as finished quantity would be 0 assuming your RAF was for the full production quantity.  

IE Post a RAF like this:

And now you have a production order that looks like this, you’ve received in inventory all 38,701:

Once all your material is consumed via picking list / end marking consumption, you’ll be in a remain status of route consumption:

Once you post your route card journals you’re in a remain status of “Ended” 

Have a periodic job running (Production Control -> Periodic-> Production order status update -> report as finished for all production orders in status Started, with report remainder as finished qty = 0, with remain status at Ended.  

Default values should be no flushing, no route consumption, end job = yes, accept error = no:

Production order is now in status Reported as Finished:

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Colby Gallagher
Managed Application Services Supervisor
RSM
OH
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